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| 05/01/2008 |
Meeting Schedule Change Starting the first of May, we have
changed our meeting schedule to twice a month. We will be
meeting on the 2nd & 4th Thursdays of every month now. There
is a link to our meeting schedule and program assignments at the top
of the calendar page of this website.
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| 05/01/2008 |
Prayer Luncheon The Sapulpa Kiwanis Club hosted a prayer
luncheon on May 1st, the national day of prayer. It was well
attended by members of all the clubs in our division, with 6 members
of our club attending. The guest speaker was Coach Bill
Blankenship of Tulsa University, who gave a very humorous and
inspiring speech. Also during the meeting the "Layperson of
the Year" award was given to Bob Branson of the Kiwanis Club of
Tulsa for his outstanding work in both his club projects and his
church projects.
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| 04/10/2008 |
William
J. Federer, nationally known author, publisher and speaker
brought us an excellent program about the history of Islam and it's
effects on civilization throughout the centuries. He has
written 15 books relating to our American Heritage. These
books can be found on Amazon.com and also Bill's website,
www.AmericanMinute.com.
You can also find interesting daily history facts on his website and
sign up for a daily email with these fascinating and enlightening
facts.
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| 02/21/2008 |

Shari Alexander
We had an excellent program at today's meeting presented
by Shari Alexander who is a professional speaking coach. She
gave us some tips on how to be a more effective public speaker.
For more information on this subject, visit her website by clicking
here.
You can also sign up for her free monthly email newsletter if you
have in interest in that. Thanks to Ron Carter for bringing Shari to
us.
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| 11/14/2007 |
Kiwanis helps revive dwindling Key Club
by: JEFF POSTELWAIT World Staff Writer
11/14/2007 3:55 AM
The few
remaining members of the Bixby High School Key Club were prepared to
be absorbed into another organization last year after a dwindling
membership and a lack of involvement.
This year, however, the group is filled with new life and
ready to tackle more ambitious public service projects.
Kimberly Jurkiw, the Key Club's faculty advisor, credits the
involvement of the Kiwanis Club of Tulsa Southeast with saving the
high-school group.
"We were on the brink of closing down, possibly changing our
affiliation to the Rotarians or the Optimists, but were saved by the
Kiwanis Southeast chapter," Jurkiw said.
Since then, Jurkiw said the group's membership and influence on the
school has grown.
Noel Bennett, director of the Kiwanis Club of Tulsa Southeast, said
Kiwanis, which he called an adult version of Key Club, often
sponsors Key Clubs.
The two groups were brought together when Bennett began
investigating whether Bixby had a Key Club, only to find that people
weren't sure whether one was still active.
"I found out that they were unsponsored. I thought maybe I should
get involved and see what we could do about that," Bennett said.
Senior Heather Bright, the president of Key Club, said she is glad
to see things turning around for the club.
"I was one of the few juniors last year. It was a good opportunity
to start over from scratch," Bright said, referring to the help the
Kiwanis Club has offered.
The Key Club is now able to take on more ambitious projects and have
a greater impact with its work, she said.
"All these opportunities that are coming together now weren't
available last year," she said.
Jurkiw said the club just finished a successful Halloween event that
raised nearly $800 for UNICEF and is preparing for several holiday
events.
"I think it's just going to grow from here," Jurkiw said.
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| 09/27/2007 |
Kiwanis Club of Tulsa
Southeast Loses a Dear Friend

J.
"Lowell" Phillips from the Kiwanis Club of Tulsa Southeast in
Division 15 passed away Saturday, August 25, 2007 in Tulsa at the
age of 82. Lowell was born January 22, 1925 to Marion Carl Phillips,
II and Ruth Pexton Phillips in Tulsa. He was a proud Tulsa native
and married June (Perry) on November 19, 1944 in Augusta, GA, while
serving in the Army Air Corps. He graduated from the University of
Tulsa and worked for the Public Service Company of Oklahoma. Lowell
was a faithful member of First Christian Church and the
Home-builders Sunday School Class. He was a 49-year member of the
Kiwanis Club of Tulsa Southeast and served as a Texas-Oklahoma
Lieutenant Governor twice, in addition to many offices at the local
level. He had perfect attendance his entire tenure of Kiwanis.
Lowell was well-known in the Tulsa area for collecting quarters from
each person in attendance at the weekly meeting of the Southeast
Club. These quarters helped support scholarships for graduating Key
Club seniors. He not only collected quarters from members, but
guests as well, making sure to educate them as to the good cause
they are supporting. Lowell loved life and he loved Kiwanis. He took
great pride in being Southeast’s official inductor of new members,
educating them about the organizational structure and most
importantly the ideals of Kiwanis.
In
addition to being greatly missed as a fellow Kiwanian, he was a
loving husband, father and granddad. Lowell is survived by: his
wife, June of the home; daughter, Elaine Fox, her husband, Greg of
Stillwater; daughter-in-law, Betsi Phillips, Tulsa; grandchildren,
Sarah Francisco and husband, Cody, Fayetteville, NC, Karalea Fox,
Stillwater, Lorrelyn Fox, Tulsa, Mark Phillips, Tulsa, Nathan Fox,
Stillwater, Layne Fox, Stillwater; also survived by sister, Florine
Widdows, husband, Dick of Texas; and numerous other family members.
Lowell was preceded in death by: his parents; his son, Perry
Phillips; brother, Marion Carl Phillips, III. In lieu of flowers
friends may contribute to the Homebuilder's Scholarship Fund or Camp
Christian, c/o First Christian Church, 913 S. Boulder, Tulsa, OK. A
memorial service was held on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 at 11am at
First Christian Church in Tulsa.
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| 09/13/2007 |
We had 13 members in attendance and 1 guest - who just turned in
her paperwork to become our newest member - WELCOME TO ALVA
STRINGER!
Ron Sigler presided over the meeting, Don
Boyne offered the invocation, Mike Lang led us in the pledge and
Mike Nash led us in singing. Ron Carter collected Happy
Dollars.
BUSINESS NOTES:
1) our club will now be sponsoring the Bixby High School Key
Club - look for great things to happen with all of our Key Clubs
this year!
2) Wednesday, October 10th will be the Weather Coalition air
conditioner pick-up - sign up with Mark Wackenhuth to help out.
Starts at 4:30 pm for about an hour.
3) NO MEETING NEXT WEEK - Annual Installation Banquet at Ti
Amo's on 61st Sheridan - 6:30 social hour and 7 pm is dinner and
program - $20 per person - you will be billed for it - RSVP to
Ron Carter
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| 05/31/2007 |
Tulsa Southeast Awards 2007 Scholarships We have awarded
$1,000 scholarships to two very deserving Union High School Key Club
members, Michelle Moon and Esther Shin. Michelle is planning
to attend Emory University in Atlanta, GA and Esther will be
attending the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor.
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| 06/22/2006 |
Tulsa County District Attorney Tim Harris
We had a very interesting presentation from Tim Harris about
what his office is doing to fight crime in Tulsa County. It
was encouraging to hear about all the crime prevention programs that
are going on that we usually don't hear about in the media.
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| 05/23/2006 |

Pictured Left to right are: Bryan, Judy and
Rachel Lapo and Gary, Doug and Marcia Wright
Kiwanis Club Awards Scholarships
The Kiwanis Club of Tulsa Southeast recently
awarded two $1,000 scholarships to two very deserving Key Club
Members – Doug Wright of Union High School and Rachel Lapo of Metro
Christian Academy.
Each year the Kiwanis Club awards one
scholarship to a deserving graduating Key Club member. This year a
special memorial scholarship was also given, due to generous
contributions in memory of a long-time Kiwanis member who had passed
away within the year, Lloyd Austin.
Doug Wright
(parents are Gary and Marcia of Broken Arrow), a senior at Union
High School, is planning to attend Florida State University and
major in either pre-med or pre-pharmacy. Doug received a $1,000
scholarship from the Kiwanis Club of Tulsa Southeast.
Doug
has been a member of the Union High School Key Club for two years
and most recently served as club editor and publicist. Doug is also
involved in
Drug Free Youth Tulsa, Union Medical Society,
National Honor Society, Scottish Skins, Student Council, Center of
Redskin Energy and Young Life. Doug’s favorite Key Club event was
Relay 4 Life, an all night walk at the Riverwalk in Jenks to raise
money and awareness of cancer. Doug says, “Key Club has been a
wonderful way for me to meet new friends while giving back to my
community through charitable events.” Other notable achievements of
Doug’s include: Student Council Representative of the Year,
Oklahoma Academic Scholar and Oklahoma State Student Council
Convention member of 3 committees.
Rachel Lapo (parents are Bryan and Judy
Lapo of Bixby), a senior at Metro Christian Academy, received the
$1,000 Lloyd Austin Memorial Scholarship. She plans to attend John
Brown University in Siloam Springs, AR to pursue a degree in
Education, with a minor in Spanish.
Rachel has been a Metro Christian
Academy Key Club member for four years and recently served as Club
President. She has also been involved in National Honor Society,
National Spanish Honor Society, Spanish Club and Student Council.
In addition, she has served as Class Secretary and been an active
member at Fellowship Bible Church. In 2005, she served as a page
for Senator Mike Mazzei.
Rachel said her favorite Key Club
project involved coordinating a school-based competition canned food
drive for Christ for Humanity, a local charitable organization that
provides services and outreach to the homeless. Rachel says, “Key
Club has meant a lot to me. It allowed me the opportunity to take on
my first major leadership role and to work with people from diverse
backgrounds.”
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04/14/2006 |
Another New Location
Starting on Thursday, April 20th, we will be meeting at the
Ryan's Steak House at 74th & Lewis in Tulsa. They have a very
nice, spacious room for us to use and a very good buffet with a wide
variety of foods from which to choose. Hopefully everyone will
be happy with this location for our meetings and we can kick off a
successful membership drive.
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03/31/2005 |
Organ Donor & Transplant Association, Inc.
Dan Collins, founder of the above mentioned organization shared
with us the story of his miraculous healing through the miracle of
organ transplantion. He started the Organ Donor and Transplant
Association to share the story of organ transplantation; promote,
encourage and support efforts to register individuals as organ
donors; provide and encourage ongoing spiritual support and
assistance for transplant patients and families; and to assist organ
transplant patients and families with transplant and post-transplant
expenses and services. The webite address of his association
is
www.lifequestamerica.com.
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2/17/2005 |
Tulsa County Court Clerk
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We were honored to
have as our guest speaker today our County Court Clerk,
Sally Howe Smith. She has been a faithful servant of
our county for many years. Miss Sally, as she is
affectionately known around the courthouse, gave us an
overview of her responsibilities as court clerk and also
some insights into the inner workings of county government.
She also spoke about some emotional trials with which she
has been involved. Most of us were surprised at how
diverse and complicated the court clerk job actually is.
Sally is also a devoted Kiwanian and is a
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We were also blessed to have
as our guests several Key Club members from Union High School.

These are great kids! (Future Kiwanians)
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12/06/2004 |
New-Old Key Club
John Maxwell is the T/O District Region 3 Advisor for Key
Clubs. He
is a member of the East Tulsa-Broken Arrow Kiwanis Club and
came
to talk to us last Thursday. He shared his experiences – both
good and
not so good – with us. His Region 3 is all of northeast
Oklahoma
combining our Kiwanis Divisions 15. 27, and 31. We appreciate
the
time and effort that John gives to this worthwhile cause.
Jerry Powell introduced John, but first: Jerry had just come
from a meeting with the Metro Christian Academy Key Club and told us
about them! We were their sponsors back several years ago and
watched them dissolve. Now, out of the blue, that club has come
alive again and we are to continue as their sponsor. What great news
for us. Their meetings are scheduled for only once a month; 11:40 am
to noon on the first Thursday. Jerry invited their faculty advisor
to come and meet with us so we can all get acquainted and asked him
to send over a couple of their members each week like they used to
do. We will also enlist the advisor as a member of our Kiwanis Club,
as we have done for the advisors of the two Key Clubs at Union.
Isn't this a great opportunity for us to
enlarge our influence in this very important aspect of service ro
our community? We will all benefit from the contacts we will make
with our next generation.
Ron Sigler has volunteered to be the
liaison with our new-old Key Club at Metro Christian Academy.
Jerry Powell is already involved with Union Senior and
Marsha Schmidt is working with Union Intermediate.
Also this week, we were honored to have as our guest Rene
Chapuis, a
patient at the Cancer Treatment Center of America at 81st
and Lewis.
He is a founding member of a 14-year-old Kiwanis Club in
Switzerland
and has been their president and also a lt. Governor. He
stood proudly
beside our American flag because he is officially an American
citizen.
His treatment while here in Tulsa is to combat prostate
cancer. We
wish him well and hope to have him visit us during his stay
here.
He plans to join us for our Christmas party at Dick & Lil Green's.
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11/15/2004 |
RSVP
It’s not a word for you to pronounce; it’s a mnemonic that
stands
for Retired Senior Volunteer Program. The Assistant Director
of the
local office, Pamela Dose, was our speaker last Thursday and
told
us about the many old folks (they say over 55) who are
involved in
a wide variety of services to the community as volunteers.
They help
strangers at the airport find their way to wherever they are
going.
They teach other seniors how to use a computer. They sit in
courtrooms to help find ways to reduce stress on those being
judged. They become surrogate grandparents for young children
who need help in school. They prepare bulk mailings for other United
Way Agencies. These are only a few examples of the ways this
organization helps match senior citizens with opportunities that
enrich their own lives as well as those who they serve.
The Tulsa RSVP was one of the pilot programs that started about 33
years ago by the Tulsa Metropolitan Ministry. RSVP is now active in
more than 760 communities in the United States. We are grateful to
Mike Bagby for inviting Pam to bring us up to date on the
organization. We have heard about RSVP from Claudia Meiling and
Sherry Clark in the past, but their work continues to grow and now
we are reminded of their importance.
Hey, guys; we are volunteers too!
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10/18/2004 |
Football at TU
We heard about the football program at Tulsa University from
the
coach’s father, Dave Kragthorpe. We hear about his son,
Steve,
frequently during football season and follow the feats and
defeats of
their team. But now we have met the dad, who was also a
football
coach during his career. He now “works” as a dollar-a-year
assistant
to his son, although he said that he has not yet been paid
for last year.
Dave is a member of Rotary in his hometown, Logan, Utah. But he has
been in Kiwanis and Lions over the years when he was an active
coach. Now, he and his wife come to Tulsa for the spring training
period and the full football season and then return home to Utah
during the snow and cold -- and he says beautiful – winter.
Dave pointed out that the facilities at TU for most of its athletic
programs are excellent, but the football program suffers with an
ancient and inadequate stadium, locker rooms, and coaches’ offices.
We can only wonder whether his voice will be heard by the
administration and whether they will act on the information.
Thanks to our new president Brent for asking Dave Kragthorpe to come
and talk to us.
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10/03/2004 |
We
had an installation party

Our new Lt. Governor
Bob Mackechney installs Brent Carroll as the new president.

. Kenny G.
congratulates Brent as he turns over the reins, then he gives Lowell
Phillips a plaque to honor his service to the club.
Among the other honorees were Dick Green, Kiwanian-of-the-Year,
Jerry Powell for his work with our Key Clubs and Lloyd Austin for
his fine work as Secretary.
Then we had some fun!
Mike
Lang introduced us to the Hippopenduck and, with help from Mark
Wackenhuth and Brent Carroll, awarded it to Kenny G. in honor of his
jokes that he shared during the year


Good luck to all the new officers and
directors. We look forward to another great year serving the
children of our community.
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09/13/2004 |
Therapetics

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We
had a chance to learn about the Therapetics organization last
Thursday. Here we have Director Kael Marsh being greeted by her
Service Dog. Looking on is wheelchair-bound David Skaggs and his
Service Dog, Martin. David explained the ways his life has been
enriched by his companion dog and together they demonstrated a basic
practical service – the dog picked up an object from the floor and
gave it to David. This allows David to retrieve an article that he
has dropped without dangerously leaning out of his wheelchair to get
it.
Kael gave us a wish list of items that they need for their
newly-occupied quarters. She also gave us a recent newsletter that
included the announcement of a DogFest coming up on Saturday,
October 9 and requesting volunteers to help at that event. Do we
have any takers? I am sure that Mark Wackenhuth, who brought the
program to us, will be happy to put us in touch. We are volunteers,
aren’t we?
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09/04/2004 |
The American Red Cross
What does our American Red Cross do? Our speaker last
Thursday
was Bob Roberts, who was representing our local chapter at 11th
St. and Route 169. He showed us a list, taken from the Yellow
Pages of our phone book, to show us the wide variety of
services
they provide. Some are local, such as sustaining families who
are
displaced by fire. Some are national; for example, the
current efforts
to bring aid to the hurricane victims in Florida. And others
are international, working through Red Cross and/or Red Crest
organizations in 182 countries in our world. Still others are
associated with our armed forces, conveying messages to service
personnel concerning life and death in the families they left
behind.
They provide all of these services, plus collection of blood,
without any government funds. They accept donations from
individuals and from the United Way. Thank you, Mike Bagby, for
bringing Bob to speak to us.
A
little sidelight: I remember that I was president of the Junior
Red Cross in Grand Rapids, Michigan, in 1927. They have been around
for a long time.
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08/30/2004 |
OSU TULSA
The Oklahoma State University at Tulsa was the subject of
discussion on Thursday, led by
“Nekki” Reagan. At least that is
what her friends call her. And we are her friends, so it’s
OK. She
is a recruiter for the school.
She explained to us that OSU-Tulsa is basically a finishing
school,
providing the last two years for a Batchelor’s degree in many
fields
and the most common source for students is Tulsa Community
College or similar two-year institutions. They also offer
specialized courses in a variety of fields and advanced degree work.
Shuttle buses make round trips several times each day so local
students can reach the Stillwater campus and students from
Stillwater can commute to the Tulsa campus to reach special classes
and/or teachers, etc.
We can thank Paul Musselman, our Kiwanian of the Day, for finding
and inviting Nekki to came and talk with us.
We also had a visit from Bob Smith of the downtown Kiwanis Club. And
speaking of downtown, we have several of our members signed up to
visit that club this Monday to hear a debate between U.S. Senate
candidates Coburn and Carson. It will be a full house.
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08/23/2004 |
Historic Places
We heard about the U.S. National Register of Historic Places
from
Kathy Ambler at our meeting last Thursday. She told us that
the
Register includes homes, neighborhoods, buildings, statues,
almost
anything that helps us all to remember our collective
history. She said
that the National Register does not include the restrictions
on changes
to the exterior of a building, but that local and state
registries do.
Thank you, Fern Farris, for being our Kiwanian of the Day and
bringing this young lady and her message to us.
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06/30/2004 |
The Lady in Red

Whoever
thought we could laugh and have a good time while talking about
blood! But that’s just what we had last Thursday when Toni Hereford
came to discuss it with us. She is the blood program coordinator for
the Tulsa branch of Oklahoma Blood Institute (OBI). Their office is
at 4601 E. 81st Street, where we are all welcome to come
and donate blood (if we qualify). They even put your name in for a
drawing for a cruise when you donate blood.
It
was surprising to learn that OBI is the sole source for 60% of the
blood used by hospitals and clinics in Oklahoma. They do not compete
with the American Red Cross, but instead provide 100% of the blood
service to a long list of designated locations and the Red Cross
serves the other locations.
We
learned from Toni that there are three major components in our blood
that can be separated and used for different situations. The red and
white blood cells are delivered throughout the body in a stream of
plasma and there is a supply of platelets that travel along. The
blood cells carry oxygen and CO2 to and from our body cells. The
platelets gang up to seal an opening into an artery or vein; she
said that platelets resemble thick applesauce. Any or all of these
components can be used for a transfusion, depending on the
circumstance.
So
we say “thank you” to Toni for this enlightening and entertaining
program. And we thank Dick Green for acting as Kiwanian of the Day
in place of Ron Sigler, who was ill.
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| 1/11/2004 |
Tulsa Air and Space Museum
Lee Rainey
came to tell us about this exciting educational facility that is out at the north edge of
the Tulsa Airport. At this time, it is housed in an old hanger but, as a part of the 2025
Vision program, it will soon be in two brand new air-conditioned buildings. The first will
tell a lot of the history of the aircraft industry as it relates to Tulsa. The second
building will be a domed planetarium that will feature glimpses of outer space. Although
it will be a place to observe the many facets of air and space travel, it will also be a
place that encourages young people to study math, science, and technology in order to
prepare for a better and more exciting future in their lives. We were invited to come and
visit, both now and in the future.
Thank you, Mike Lang,
for finding this man and having him bring the story to us together with a piece of the
News that was on Channel 6 in which he was interviewed.
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| 12/14/2003 |
Court Appointed Special Advocate
CASA is our Kiwanis Governors special project
for this year. Jerry Powell found Marilyn Loukes, the CASA program director for Tulsa, and
brought her to tell us about it. Marilyn happens to be the daughter of Jerrys band
director who helped Jerry get started playing the saxophone in Junior High School lo these
many years ago. But that is not part of the story this week.
Marilyn explained to us the many facets of
CASA. The one most important is the volunteers, because they are assigned by the court for
a one-to-one relationship with a family that has one or more youths who are abused or
neglected and who need help to grow up right. The individuals normally get in trouble of
some kind and are brought into juvenile court as a result. When a CASA volunteer is
assigned to that juvenile, he or she meets with the kid and tries to help him or her get
their life back on track. Each case is unique, and the volunteer gets training by CASA
before getting an assignment.
There are two specific things we can do to
help CASA. One is to become a volunteer Lori Mathis has been one and tells us that
it is a wonderful personal experience. The other is to support their efforts with
financial help. Lets get behind this special Governors Project.
Thank you, Jerry, for bringing Marilyn
Loukes to talk to us.
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| 12/08/2003 |

An Award
This was a happy group.
Jerry Powell with Key Club Lt. Governor Matthew Summers, Union High School Key Club
President Chee Yang, and Richard Lowry (he spoke on Reverse Mortgages two weeks ago). Mr.
Lowry had a drawing at the end of the meeting, after he spoke to us, and drew Jerrys
name. So Jerry chose Key Club as his favorite non-profit organization. Chee Yang is
holding the $50 contribution from Mr. Lowry in this picture.
Richard Lowry will be
out of town for a few weeks, but has promised us that he will be one of our new members
when he returns.
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| 11/03/2003 |

Tulsa Historical Society
Clayton Vaughn returned last Thursday to bring us some more background and an update on
the Tulsa Historical Society. Although it has not yet officially opened to the public, we
were invited to come and see what has been accomplished to date.
There are so many things
about Tulsas history that have accumulated that it will be of interest to young and
old. He mentioned that art-deco has to be one of the important features because Tulsa is
the third most important city (after New York and Miami) in art-deco history. There will
be many other items that help spell out our 100+ years. Weve gotta see it.
Thanks, Jerry Powell,
for getting Clayton to come and talk to us again.
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| 11/03/2003 |
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Marjorie
Cummins
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We regret that we have
had to say goodbye to this faithful long-time friend and member. She passed away on
Saturday, October 23 and her memorial service was last Tuesday. Her obituary included the
fact that she was a proud member of the Kiwanis Club of Tulsa Southeast.
During the service, her
pastor called our attention to the dash between her birth year and her death year. This
dash is the time that she had with us and all of her other friends here on earth. We are
grateful that we were among them.
We will miss her but know she is in good hands forever. We
collected a generous donation for the Texas/Oklahoma Kiwanis Foundation to be given in her
memory.
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| 10/20/2003 |
The Governor Was Here!
Our OK/TX (!)
Kiwanis Governor, Darell Booth, and his wife, Delores, were our guests last Thursday and
the Governor was our speaker for the day. He promised that we will have a better year this
year and encouraged us to enrich our lives with Kiwanis projects. We need to continue IDD.
We should become active in CASA (Court Appointed Special Advocates) and other projects
that serve the children in our community and throughout the world.
The
Governors wife, Delores, is also an active Kiwanian. She inducted Phyllis Dupois as
our newest member. Welcome aboard, Phyllis. We are glad that you are out of the hospital
and hope you stay out.
Connie Harl was the
fourth member to shake hands with Brent Carroll (the secret shaker) so she took away the
reward.
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| 10/06/2003 |
State
of the City
Our Tulsa City Councilman for District 8, Bill Christiansen,
discussed a variety of local issues of interest with us at our meeting last Thursday. He
was the guest speaker invited by Dick Green, who was our Kiwanian of the Day. Both Bill
and Dick are involved in The Tulsa Run in fact, Bill has been in it for 18 years!
Among other things, Bill predicted that Boeing will not choose to come to
Tulsa, so our sales tax will not increase by the full penny that we voted on at the last
election. As an interesting side-note, the Tulsa World reported on Friday that Governor
Henry is about to call a special legislative session to consider the states role
when Boeing does come to Tulsa. They cant both be right, can they? Well
see.
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